Sometimes the banter back and forth about bullet types or what caliber is better is akin to the question "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin". However, I've always thought that a bullet should "mushroom" and stay together to deliver maximum damage. My experience with noslers is they no longer do that. Like Cariboo says, the front part sheers right off. Whether it disintigrates on impact or loses it grandually, the end result is horrible weight retention, which I think you need on large dangerous game. My turn off of noslers happened a couple of years ago when I shot a mulie at about 60 yards with my o6. The two 180 grain bullets cleanly seperated leaving wound chanels with bits of lead and brass all the way along. Neither bullet exited the animal and I would have thought one would have seemings how it never hit bone; and like I said, I was only 60 yards away. Put an extra 400 fps on that with my 300 win mag and I wonder how that bullet would have performed. It also raises a doubt in my mind as to how it would perform hitting the big shoulder bone of a pissed off grizzly. I've seen pictures of the internal damage by the triple shock and I'd have to disagree with the assertion that nosler out performs them.